Working outside PeoplePerHour as an interpreter??? Policy violations???
Hi guys,
I got invited to work as an interpreter a lot and to do this job, you absolutely need to meet up with clients.
I am well aware that conducting transactions outside PeoplePerHour.com is a violation which might get your account here killed.
How to avoid the violation and still can work for interpretation project?
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Official comment
Hi Nam,
PeoplePerHour is a community built around trust, and your safety is our #1 concern. Agreeing to payment outside of PPH leaves you unprotected. PPH cannot provide any assistance for Jobs where any payment has been completed outside of PPH, and working this way is against our terms and conditions. http://www.peopleperhour.com/static/terms
All payments between Buyer and Seller must be processed through PPH (as described in Section 3 of our terms and conditions), both for work sourced on PPH and for any follow on work between the Buyer and Seller, either for the same Job or another Job.
Payment (or attempt of) outside of PPH is a breach of these terms and conditions and will lead to temporary and/ or permanent suspension of the Buyer and/ or Seller’s account. The Seller will be liable for any loss of business and legal expenses that PPH may incur in recovering it. PPH reserve the right to sanction funds held in the Seller’s wallet in order to recover lost fees. Moreover, PPH will not mediate any Disputes or be liable to either the Buyer or Seller’s loss of business as a result of violation of this clause. Users must report attempts or offers to make payment outside of PPH by their Buyer or Seller to PPH immediately.
Furthermore, I have been monitoring your responses, David, however on this occasion, you are encouraging somebody to violate our terms and conditions and that is not acceptable. I have no alternative but to escalate this to a member of our senior team.
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Kelly,
I hope you are well and will, once again, forward this to a highter authority, as it would be really useful if somebody at PPH clarified the wooly rules here.
The ToS to which you refered us states that there is a contract between the buyer and the seller; that's the basis of the model and PPH very clearly say they are not an Agent. When we enter into a contract with the buyer we agree to invoice through PPH- and thats fine- you need your cut.
I certainly dont have an issue with that, but it then gets murky...
PPH ToS also state;
- Each account must be a personal account, but Users may trade as a sole trader, company or any other legal entity (whether incorporated or unincorporated).
So, the buyer is a 'personal account' and we thus have a contract with the 'person' not the organisation they may work for. They may be acting on behalf of a company but they arent trading as that company.
Unless I am way off the mark that makes it clear that the freelancer is committed to invoice via PPH for work commissioned by the individual who holds the account. Other people within the organisation he/she represents are not PPH account holders, so any work done for them falls outside the control of PPH because we dont have a contract with them.
Thus, a freelancer finds Mary from Blogs Ltd on PPH and enters a contract to deliver a service to her and to invoice via PPH. Thats fine. It might be work for the company that employs her,or it might be personal- either way the contract is with Mary,not her employer, her local charity group, her Yoga club or anything else that she may be a member of.
If that freelancer then meets Jane from Blogs Ltd, and agrees to do work for her, thats got nothing to do with PPH because Jane doesn't have a PPH account - Clearly there isnt a PPH contract between the freelancer and Jane because they didnt meet through PPH, Jane doesnt have a PPH account, and they havent corresponded through PPH.
If Nam met with new clients through a meeting with a person who has a PPH account, and goes on to work for them, and none of them have PPH accounts, why would he invoice through PPH? He'd invoice for the work with the account holder he found through PPH,but the others arent PPH account holders.
Additionally, as Alexander just pointed out, you cant have an 'all time' exclusion to working outside PPH, and you havent even attempted to put a time limit on this.
Things change over time...
What if the buyer moves jobs - who is the contract then with, the person who holds the account, or the company they used to work for? What if I hand my business over to somebody else, does he still need to invoice through PPH even though he's never agreed to a contract or held a PPH account? By your own ToC he couldnt invoice because he hasnt got an account.
It must be a narrow contract between the buyer and seller as individuals,but if it is between two individuals then we are free to work outside PPH with other people who may work with the contract holders, but arent PPH account holders.
Can you see the confusion here?
Thats what it looks like from out here so, if you can finally explain this, it would really help us to understand what the ToC actually means.
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