New system aimed primarily at matching newer sellers with buyers

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  • Paul

    On the subject of low job values, my daughter has done some writing for some arts magazines (she's an Art graduate) and loaded up the PPH app (not at my suggestion) and looked to see if there was a possibility of more writing work. She was totally shocked by the low job values and has now deleted the app. I told her not to waste her time with writing or art-related jobs here.

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  • Malcolm

    @Michael - Although people on here don't know me (including you), I am more than prepared to admit when I'm in the wrong.

    this wasn't a number that came off the top of my head.  I make sure my facts are correct before i provide them to any customer.

    Sorry, but in this case, I think you may have failed.

    I remember having the issue that I couldn't post a clarification question, I've even got the original email's to helpdesk regarding that. I have actually just had a look at my history on here, and although I though't I'd sent more, it would appear I have actually sent THREE proposals, so far, and it would have been more IF I'd had responses to clarification questions.

    Another reason perhaps why my proposal count is low, is due to when I actually spot jobs, and making the decision (which I shouldn't be penalised for), as to whether to actually bid for them or not.  My reasons for my low proposal count, does NOT mean I am not serious about the site, and as pointed out by other users on here, may have something to do with the QUALITY of the jobs themselves, which I have NO control over.  Another reason why my proposal count may be low, might be due to the period of time that has elapsed between when the job was posted and I get to look at it, which also has a bearing as to whether I bid or not.

    Also, I'd be interested to know exactly what you meant by, certain aspects of your account are quite different to some comments that have been made.  I take it you meant comments I've made?

    I also agree with Paul that this doesn't help with progress, and I'm not trying to start and have no wish to start a slanging match, but in this case, I believe you're wrong.

     

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  • Paul

    Can't you guys swing handbags in private?

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  • Pie

    I've been hanging around for the last year or so, keeping tabs and waiting to see if PPH might be worth rejoining at some stage future.

    This latest development has answered the question I think. Despicable.

    Bon courage you guys, I think you'll need it.

    Over and out.

     

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  • Malcolm

    @Paul - sorry to disappoint..... I don't have a handbag I'm afraid, just a laptop bag :)

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  • Deb C

    @David, I have complained about many of these but to no avail. This was one of the reasons I suggested that all new users, be forced to to make a sizeable deposit into their accounts  that cannot be withdrawn and only given to who they award the work to. Getting your inbox clogged with this crap is a bloody nuisance. I am still waiting to hear back as to whether they are going to get rid of this 'no specified budget' crap as well, not holding my breath obviously.....

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  • Deb C

    @David, you're right of course, when it comes down to the nitty gritty of it we will always be at the bottom of the food chain. I have just had a job cancelled on me and the client has requested a refund. I get a warning notice that my ranking may be affected by issuing the refund yet I had nothing to do with the bloody thing being cancelled in the first place. The logic is clearly to lick the client arses so they hire us minions then sit back and watch the money roll in from our wallets :( 

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  • Paul

    There is another category for reporting jobs: 'other'

    You have to scroll the reason box. It's not intuitive.

     

    I have found PPH to be rather good at removing the jobs I've reported to them. They mostly remove the jobs I report. Not always.

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  • Paul

    Deb I had a client who's own client had cancelled the job. I'd already started work and I kept the deposit.

    You aren't obliged to just hand it back.

     

    Paul

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  • Deb C

    @ Paul, I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the heads up if it ever happens again. in this case I had only one piece but we just 'didn't click'.  I know of others however who have done lots of work,  given refunds then found their pieces published, 

    Regarding an earlier issue I have been invited today for two jobs which each stipulate that the freelancer will be paid privately by Paypal. Yet more examples of jobs not being checked. I have reported them but what will happen is anyone's guess....

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  • Malcolm

    @Michael -

    "The good news is that if you'd like another shot at it you can extend your qualification for another 3 months starting from £6.95/month."

    I don't wish to go over possibly old ground, and I don't know if this makes any sense, but.... what I'd be interested to know is what exactly is PPH's definition of a 'serious' freelancer?

    Does it mean that basically pph wants people who are going to, at least, place several bids in a month?

    Or are you only interested in people who are going to actually win work (of course I realise that winning work is what actually makes money for you)?

    What happens if work 'runs dry' for some people, and their bids tail off due to either not bidding on work, (due to not being suitable), or that no jobs are being posted?  What happens then?  Would pph then start charging those people every month until that situation was reversed, and you refunded the fees?

    Also, if after three months, and still no joy, would you just 'extend the qualification' for another three chargeable months?

    Do people get penalized (or is it frowned upon), if freelancers receive job alerts supposedly tailored to them, but for reasons of the freelancers own, they don't bid on the job?

    I apologise if the answers to these questions are buried somewhere in the help system (perhaps you could point me in the right direction Michael?), but I'm just interested to know how this works.

    I'm probably not right, but if I am, then I am thinking that you are potentially limiting the choices that freelancers have as to whether they bid for work or not, which obviously ties in to a certain extent with the 'dodgy jobs' category.

     

     

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  • Permanently deleted user

    Hello PPHers,

    We will be posting an update shortly as a blog post regarding the seller qualification bidding restriction. Ill add the link once its up and live.

    Basically, all members who are either in the 3 month qualification period or who have paid for an extension of the qualification period, will no longer have any restrictions on bidding for any jobs instead of the current structure for ones that we allowed based on skills. We received a large amount of issues with this and it was determined based on your feedback that this was the wrong was to go. 

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  • Pilar

    Hi All,

    Few responses to recent messages below.

    @Paul, I'm definately up for the challenge

    @David, Yes we are all definately listening and i'm hear to really help us get stuck into these challenges so we can all be on the same page. 

    @Malcolm, I saw your mention re Hourlies, if you need any help or suggestions on how to approach these then let me know as I actually had a good selling hourlie before working for PPH so should be able to offer some advice. 

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  • Permanently deleted user

    @David

    For any issue with incorrect emails that are sent, our support forwards these to our developer team to look into to see if any correction needs to be made. 

     

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  • Permanently deleted user

    Here it is: http://blog.peopleperhour.com/blogroll/can-now-bid-job/

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  • Malcolm

    Sellers in their qualifying period can now bid on any Job thy feel they can deliver.

    Basically, all members who are either in the 3 month qualification period or who have paid for an extension of the qualification period, will no longer have any restrictions on bidding for any jobs instead of the current structure for ones that we allowed based on skills

    I may be too quick to jump to conclusions here, but does that mean then, that anyone OUTSIDE of this criteria, WILL be restricted in their bidding then, in other words, with the existing keywords system..... that doesn't work well.

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  • Malcolm

    @Pilar - with regards to the Hourlies, what exactly was your Hourlie about, if you don't mind telling me?

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  • Dee

    So 5 months after being blocked, I now have the "good news" that I can bid for jobs again if I pay for the privilege of putting money in PPH coffers?

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  • Moira K

    @David - that type of punctuation is called Self Important Capitals.

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  • Pie

    Shouldn't that say

    "you will instantly receive quality Proposals from carefully curated Freelancers who might or might not have relevant experience, plus loads of Newbies in their Qualifiying Period who are allowed to Bid on anything because our Algorithm is flawed and they need to win a Job. You will probably find they are more relevant than the Freelancers that we curated for you because the Algorithm is so c**p."

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  • Pie

    PS I don't believe anybody would call themselves Luck Clark, it sounds like a hen clucking. Apologies if you do exist, Luck.

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  • Paul

    It's Lucy Clark.

    Whatever the name, there's no need to be finding issue with it (excepting that it should be identified as being a PPH email, not a personal one).

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  • Pie

    I don't believe for a minute that these people exist and I think it's a cheap trick to have computers sending out chummy emails purporting to be sent by made-up people.

    We know PPH has a skeleton staff, you can see photos of the happy team, and they look very Greek, mostly very male and mostly very hairy. 

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  • Moira K

    I don't like getting the emails either. They are spam and they clog up my inbox.

    Like Pie, I don't believe in 'Lucy Clarke' (I seem to remember there's an 'e' on the end) nor do I believe in 'Sophia Jones' who has sent me similar emails. Of course there are real (and doubtless very nice) people with these names but the PPH emails have a strongly inauthentic air. I thought authenticity was the big thing for successful companies nowadays ...  So hard to keep up with the curve.

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  • Paul

    OK Michael/Pilar does "Lucy Clark" actually exist or is she an "alter - ego" of the spirit of PPH?

    This is an easy question. Let's have an answer.

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  • Paul

    I can say there is a Freelancer on the PPH system by the name of Lucy Clarke, who does admin, so I think it's entirely possible she's doing the mailshots for PPH.

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  • Code and More LLP

    @David, the emails I have got do not come from no-reply@peopleperhour.com They come from jobpost@peopleperhour.com or support@peopleperhour.com  with a "reply to" of no-reply@peopleperhour.com

    It sounds to me that someone has messed up when configuring the "reply to" address - or the boilerplate about replying is out of date.

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  • Moira K

    @Paul That Lucy was last seen on 7 Nov 2013.

    @Michael @Pilar It would be good to know whether Lucy and Sophia are real people. It would help our PPH experience.

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  • Malcolm

    As far as I'm aware, it has always been 'Lucy Clarke', 'Chloe Evans' and someone else I think, but can't remember who.  No idea where 'Luck Clarke' has come from?  Oh, and Zoe but it has always said 'Zoe at PeoplePerHour'.  Frankly I don't really give much of a **** who they are at the moment (although I take your point if they are indeed fakes), I'd just rather have the PPH system working properly.  I am still undecided as to whether to give in and fork out money to pay to be able to bid for any jobs that come up.

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  • James

    Just received an email informing me there are X new jobs posted.

    One of the jobs listed in the email was sent to me because it matches my keywords/settings, all fine there, however the job itself is invite only, I cannot bid etc. :(

    Something else to stick on the todo list ;)

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